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#101

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Originally Posted by 170Till5

NB is a different air line lol

#102

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

The short answer is 117 table B limits.

10 am CDG departure means an 8:30 duty start, which is 2:30am on the east coast. If that crew did a 24 hour overnight that leaves just 9 hours of duty. Hardly any time to absorb any kind of delay. The way I understand the law is EU requires DL to pay $700 per pax of a flight that is delayed by more than 3 hours for controllable reasons, and lack of crew availability is considered controllable.

They could acclimate crews to Europe time with 48 hour overnights, but then you are paying 21 hours each to 2 pilots, which seems close to a wash compared to 16 hours each to 3.

#103

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Originally Posted by GivemeVSP

Why does the flight have to depart at 10am? What’s keeping management from adjusting it to a 1 or 2pm departure? They could easily do that with the number of departures per day out of these places. Just send ATL back early with the 3 man crew.

#104

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3

And you think they won’t try? They do close to max duty days and flight time in the NB every time they can.

#105

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Originally Posted by GivemeVSP

Why does the flight have to depart at 10am? What’s keeping management from adjusting it to a 1 or 2pm departure? They could easily do that with the number of departures per day out of these places. Just send ATL back early with the 3 man crew.

#106

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

1)spare crews are a lot easier to find and get into place in the US
2) there are not steep fines for controllable delays within the US.

they may try, but what I was responding to is why flights currently on the schedule for less than 8 block are still scheduled with 3 pilots.

#107

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

The DTW departure screens?

#108

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Originally Posted by Red Swingline

Where do you see this sort of info?

#109

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Originally Posted by Red Swingline

They have departure screens for next summer up already?

“A quick look at next summer for dtw…”

#110

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

1)spare crews are a lot easier to find and get into place in the US
2) there are not steep fines for controllable delays within the US.

they may try, but what I was responding to is why flights currently on the schedule for less than 8 block are still scheduled with 3 pilots.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

What you have listed is correct. The duty day limit is a issue. When 117 first came out we flew most of the UK with two man crews. 117 changed the block limit from 8 to 9 and the forum panicked that most of Europe would be two man crews. Reliability would have dropped. The actual result of 117 was we have more not less 3 man crews. We do however have two man crews on some BOS flights. I am sure the company can run a flight history on each route and quickly figure out if a two man crew will work. Currently CDG is blocked at 8:00 so legal for two contractually. Any delays however would result in a duty day timeout. Until the 330 base in BOS gets fully staffed and running no one here knows. If they do staff with 3 another issue is will they dispatch with two if a FO calls out sick or has a commute failure. Not sure how that might work contractually. I did once have a FO pulled from my BOS flight in Europe to cover a sick FO on the ATL flight and was told it was legal.